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LeBron James played nearly a full season (81 games) of Conference Finals and NBA Finals games from 2012-2018, averaging 29.9/9.6/7.1/1.7/1. No player in NBA history has matched this line in a single season.

勒布朗-詹姆斯在2012到2018年期间参加分区决赛和总决赛的场次接近一个赛季(81场),场均拿下29.9分9.6板7.1助1.7断1帽。NBA史上没有球员能在单赛季达成这一数据。

Easily MVP caliber numbers and all of these numbers are above his career regular season per game average while playing against the NBA's best (of course while playing more minutes).

No player has matched this line.

这明显就是MVP级别的数据,而且他在面对NBA最顶级球员时的这几项数据均高于职业生涯的常规赛场均(出场时间也更多)。他的这一数据无人能敌。

In Westbrook's 1st triple double season he had enough points, but not enough steals or blocks. His other triple double seasons he missed out on points and blocks.

Roberson might have, but there are no steal or block counts

威少的首个三双赛季里,他的得分足够多,可是抢断和盖帽比不上老詹。他其他的三双赛季里,得分和盖帽又落了下风。

奥斯卡-罗伯逊或许能与老詹比比,但是当时没有盖帽和抢断的统计。

Edit: Because I'm tired of the hur dur leastern conference comments, his numbers in the NBA finals during this are 30.5/10.7/8.0/1.9/1.0 (39 games). His numbers in the Eastern Conference finals bring those down.

Edit 2: also, I wasn't intentionally leaving out 2011, just 2012-2018 made for almost exactly a full season. Including 2011, its 28.9/9.3/7.1/1.7/1, which has also never been done in a single season

编辑:别说什么他打的是东部决赛就有水分之类的,我受够了,那几年他在总决赛(39场)里的数据是30.5+10.7+8+1.9+1.他在东区决赛的数据反而拉低了整体的均值。

再有啊,我不是有意去掉2011年的,只是说12到18年的比赛场次加在一起差不多能凑足一个赛季。即便算上2011年,他的数据是28.9+9.3+7.1+1.7+1,同样也没人做到过。

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[–]Clippers duplicatesnowflake 82 points 17 hours ago

He played way more than 81 games though. Feels like this is kind of cherry picked to exclude the 2011 series and some earlier ones. Although it does come close to 82 so still legit.

快船球迷:可是老詹打得分区决赛和总决赛远比81场多啊。感觉楼主这是选择性的剔除2011年的和其他早些年的。不过楼主列出来的确实接近82场,所以也没毛病。

[–]NBA RareSir 26 points 15 hours ago

I assume he was just trying to keep it under 82 games played so that he could make the season comparison

我觉得楼主就是想把场次控制在82以内,这样就能和其他球员的赛季表现作对比了。

[–]Suns clearsurname 151 points 16 hours ago*

I think the fact is more to talk about how cool it is that Lebron has played almost a full season in conference finals/finals in only 7 years

太阳球迷:我觉得咱们更应该关注的是,詹姆斯打分区决赛和总决赛的场次接近一个赛季,却只用了七年时间,这真是太厉害了。

[–]Suns clearsurname 4113 points 18 hours ago2

JR denied him that 82nd game

太阳球迷:他那个第82场被JR否了。

[–]onthemap45 7 points 11 hours ago

Jr Smith just tryna help bron by giving him load management #4DChess

JR那是想帮詹姆斯呢,不想让他太累。考虑长远着呢

[–]Raptors mantistobogganmMD 1865 points 17 hours ago

Warriors legend JR Smith

猛龙球迷:勇士名宿JR-史密斯。

[–]Lakers VforVilliam 525 points 17 hours ago

His jersey will be hanging in their rafters.

湖人球迷:他的球衣以后会在勇士主场上空飘扬的。

[–]Testwhatever23444 460 points 16 hours ago

4 all stars 2 MVPs in their prime and it turns out JR Smith was the clutchest Warrior in the Finals

勇士那会儿正处巅峰,队里四个全明星两个MVP,反倒是JR成了勇士在总决赛最关键的球员。

[–]Trail Blazers bmx505 307 points 14 hours ago

They gave Iggy a FMVP for being the 'Lebron stopper', I think JR deserves the same honor.

开拓者球迷:联盟把FMVP颁给了一哥,因为他是“老詹终结者”,我觉得JR也配得上这个荣耀。

[–]Cavaliers ProjectBadass 47 points 11 hours ago

Or George Hill could’ve hit the free throw...

骑士球迷:要是乔治-希尔当时把罚球罚进也行啊……

[–]Lakers JimmyB3574 38 points 9 hours ago

Eh. Missed free throws happen. Forgetting the score in the closing seconds of a finals game doesn't.

One is excusable. The other isn't

湖人球迷:呃,罚球不中这事儿常有啊。可是在总决赛的最后读秒阶段忘掉比分这事儿可不常见哦。

一个还有借口,另一个就不行了。

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[–]76ers Johns-Roast-Pork 870 points 19 hours ago

Lebron is super good at basketball.

76人球迷:看来这个勒布朗打球超级厉害啊!

[–][UTA] John Stockton Thehealeroftri 228 points 18 hours ago

BREAKING NEWS

爵士球迷:你这可是爆出了个大新闻……

[–]Kings agunZagun 16 points 11 hours ago

He is like... Michael Jordan of the basketball.

国王球迷:他就像是……篮球界的乔丹。

[–]Lakers V0ldemortt 54 points 17 hours ago

Playoff Lebron is not from this world. PLEASE STOP those stupid comparisons.

湖人球迷:季后詹不属于这个星球,拜托!!!不要再!!做这些愚蠢的对比了。

[–][TOR] Pascal Siakam whodthefookisthatguy 1361 points 19 hours ago

Inb4 the inevitable Lebron has played more conference finals game than Porzingis has played total games.

猛龙球迷:你躲不过的詹姆斯打得分区决赛场次比波尔津吉斯目前的生涯场次都多。

[–]Knicks Melkor_The_Morgoth[S] 1025 points 19 hours ago

Conference finals games no, playoff games yes. 239 vs 186.

尼克斯球迷:分区决赛场次论的话,詹姆斯没比波尔津吉斯的生涯总场次多,不过要是说季后赛场次

[–][BOS] Jaylen Brown WarcraftFarscape 24 points 10 hours ago

Lebron has played more playoff games than the Cleveland cavaliers franchise.

凯尔特人球迷:詹姆斯打得季后赛场次比克利夫兰队史都多。

[–][ATL] Paul Millsap Jfklikeskfc 479 points 18 hours ago

Bron is nuts

老鹰球迷:老詹就是个变态。

[–]Bucks jedi_timelord 205 points 16 hours ago

I mean it's been like 16 years lol but still wild

雄鹿球迷:这大概是16年的累积,哈哈哈,不过还是很牛

[–]Cavaliers Agnonzach 143 points 14 hours ago

15 a year is still bonkers. Probably only guys close are Pippen/Jordan and the lifer/near-lifer Spurs

骑士球迷:年均15场也还是很变态。或许能接近他的人只有皮蓬、乔丹和马刺的那帮老臣子。

[–][MIA] Anfernee Hardaway ChaseH9499 125 points 13 hours ago

Jordan probably isn’t as close as the Spurs lifers, unless my memory fails me he got bounced in the first round 5 or 6 times

热火球迷:乔丹的年均季后赛场次也许还不能跟马刺那帮老臣比,要是我没记错的话,他有五六次是在季后赛首轮就嗝屁了。

[–]Knicks ItinerantSoldier 85 points 12 hours ago

And Jordan isn't even close honestly. Jordan has 179 playoff games. The Spurs guys are all 218 or more. Scottie though has 208.

尼克斯球迷:这方面乔丹确实不如。乔丹打了179场季后赛,马刺那帮老臣都是218场往上。不过皮蓬打了208场。

[–][GSW] Klay Thompson ILikeAllThings 7 points 10 hours ago

I think Derek Fisher has the most, guy was in every year

勇士球迷:我觉得费舍尔的季后赛场次最多,这家伙以前每年都打。

[–]Hornets DudflutAgain 6 points 8 hours ago

You're right, he's got 259 playoff games (the all-time record) and made the playoffs 16 out of his 18 seasons. Ridiculous. But LeBron will probably pass that in a season or two.

黄蜂球迷:你说的没错,他打了259场季后赛(历史纪录),征战NBA18载有16次进了季后赛。很了不起。不过詹姆斯也许再用一两个赛季的就能超越他。

[–]Spurs aged_monkey 49 points 10 hours ago

I hope the Spurs big-3 doesn't vanish into the history books 20 years from now. One of the most dominant trios to step on the floor, by far the most dominant longevity wise.

马刺球迷:希望20年后,我刺的三巨头不会被历史遗忘。毕竟是联盟最有统治力的三叉戟之一,而且就生涯寿命来说,他们是最具统治力的。

[–][CLE] Zydrunas Ilgauskas EngineEngine 21 points 10 hours ago

A model of consistency, much like the Pats. Maybe not the flashiest, but people will be discussing them and drawing comparisons for sure.

骑士球迷:他们仨就是稳定性的典范啊,很像爱国者。或许他们这个三叉戟不是最炫目的,但是后人肯定会讨论他们,并与之展开比较的。

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[–]Nets ajkVQ 267 points 15 hours ago

Did you expect somebody's regular season numbers to be higher than Lebron's playoff numbers?

篮网球迷:难道楼主一开始还以为有哪个人的常规赛数据能强过詹姆斯的季后赛数据?

[–]PM_me_da_bootay 6 points 10 hours ago

I mean most guys don’t elevate their numbers in the playoffs. Especially in the conference finals and finals. I would say the only two are Michael and lebron.

我觉得呢,大多数球员到了季后赛是提升不了个人数据的,更别说什么分区决赛和总决赛了。我觉得唯二的能越打越好的是乔丹和詹姆斯。

[–]Xboxfan117 171 points 14 hours ago

NOBODY has matched it. This comparison is dumb though, has LeBron even matched Playoff LeBron?

这数据压根就没人能比啊!这种对比挺愚蠢的,你就拿詹姆斯自己来说,他能比得上季后詹吗??

[–]Hornets corruk 40 points 11 hours ago

I mean the headline claim is intentionally misleading, as the sole purpose for including the "1" bpg is to exclude Oscar Robertson (blocks werent recorded when he played) and Russell Westbrook who otherwise would have not only matched Lebron but surpassed him in everything but steals.

黄蜂球迷:我觉得楼主那个标题是故意误导人,而且他把场均1帽这个统计算上,唯一的目的就是想把罗伯逊(当年没有这项统计)和威少排除在外,不然他俩除了抢断,其他各方面不但能和老詹的数据比,而且还比老詹多。

[–]king-treday 10 points 10 hours ago

Also LeBron plays 40+ mins in the postseason.

老詹在季后赛的上场时间可是40多分钟啊。

[–]Cavaliers largefrogs 12 points 9 hours ago

Lol scrub, real goats play less minutes and retire in the middle of their primes

骑士球迷:呵呵呵,太菜了,真正的历史最佳都是打更少的时间,然后在职业生涯巅峰期退役(狗头)

[–]Bucks iFinesseThePlug 570 points 18 hours ago

Because I'm sure people are curious, Jordan played 80 such games in his career and averaged 32.2/6.2/5.8/2.0/0.8

The only person to match this line is a single season is Michael Jordan

雄鹿球迷:我相信大家肯定好奇,乔丹职业生涯打分区决赛和总决赛的场次是80场,场均32.2+6.2+5.8+2.0+0.8。

拿单赛季表现来说的话,唯一能比得上这个数据的,只有乔丹本人。

[–]james_hellwig 71 points 15 hours ago

Also makes sense that no regular season player would match goat tier players when they're giving 100% and playing 5-10 more mpg than their average each game.

所以这也就解释了,为啥普通球员即便在常规赛拼尽全力,而且场均出场时间再多个5到10分钟也比不上那种历史最佳级别的球员。

[–]Knicks Melkor_The_Morgoth[S] 335 points 18 hours ago

The only person to match this line is a single season is Michael Jordan

That is not true, James Harden did as well just last year. If you add a maximum turnover cutoff (2.9) then Jordan's line is unique.

尼克斯球迷:“拿单赛季表现来说的话,唯一能比得上这个数据的,只有乔丹本人。”

这话不对。哈登上赛季就达成了这一数据。

[–]Cavaliers kmillz1 66 points 15 hours ago

why did we leave out 2011 op? I'm a LeBron fan but seems odd

骑士球迷:楼主究竟为啥要把11年的数据剔除掉?我这个詹蜜也觉得奇怪啊。

[–]PovertyPorcupine 41 points 13 hours ago

You know why lol

你知道为啥,哈哈哈哈

[–]Mavericks swpickle 12 points 11 hours ago

Jj Barea goat defender!

独行侠球迷:巴雷亚是历史最佳防守人!

[–]sinisix 75 points 11 hours ago

Because OP was trying to get the stat as close to an entire season as possible?

难道不是因为楼主只是想尽量让样本量接近一整个常规赛季的场次吗?

[–]Cavaliers Dadoaesop 8 points 11 hours ago

When you include it he's still unmatched

骑士球迷:就算你算上11年的,还是没人比得上老詹。

[–]Bulls cobrakaistrikefree 189 points 18 hours ago

2012-2018 also happens to exclude a couple of brons worst series like the 2011 and 2007 finals (though it also excludes possibly his best series, 2009 ecf)

公牛球迷:就楼主选的2012到2018这个时间段来说,刚好把詹姆斯打得最差的几轮系列赛剔除了,比如11年和07年总决赛(不过好像也没算他打得最好的系列赛,09年东决)

[–]Bucks iFinesseThePlug 268 points 17 hours ago

Yeah if you take out the 96 Finals against the Supersonics, Jordan's averages actually go up to 47/15/12 with 8 blocks and 6 steals.

雄鹿球迷:是的,要是你把96年公牛打超音速的总决赛排除,那乔丹同类型比赛的场均数据其实能上升到47+15+12,还有8个帽和6断……

[–]Wade Reden 22 points 1 day ago

8 blocks lmao.

8个帽,笑死老子了

[–]Spurs siphillis 72 points 16 hours ago

LeBron's seems more impressive, honestly. I'll trade two points for four rebounds and two assists, and I'm willing to bet LeBron scored his 30 points more efficiently.

马刺球迷:说真的,貌似还是老詹的数据更亮眼。要是我的话,我愿意牺牲两分去换多四个篮板和两个助攻。我觉得老詹的均分30效率更高。

[–]76ers Miamime 15 points 10 hours ago

You would expect more boards from a SF than a SG though.

76人球迷:不过呢,你肯定是希望一个小前锋的篮板比一个分卫拿得多啊。

[–][MIN] Fred Hoiberg JonJaysBooty 26 points 10 hours ago

By that logic wouldn't you expect more steals and more assists from the SG?

森林狼球迷:照你这么说的话,那你不是应该指望分卫拿更多的抢断和助攻吗?

[–]Spurs siphillis 30 points 10 hours ago

Positions ultimately don’t matter when we’re evaluating value. If we’re factoring in pound-for-pound, then Iverson enters the GOAT conversation.

马刺球迷:其实咱们在评估价值的时候,场上位置终归是不重要的。要是咱们再把体量算作是评价因素的话,那有关历史最佳的讨论还得把艾弗森算上咯。

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[–]Warriors Heisenberg408 306 points 18 hours ago*

Rings being the only qualifier for GOAT status is just advertising at work...I really think LeBron is the best player to ever play the game. We just have such a specific image of what the GOAT should be because of how amazing Jordan was.

It's really hard to differentiate but LeBron's impact on this game, off the court, making every franchise he has ever played for pretty much a contender over night, is just unreal. So glad I got to watch this man play basketball. Fucking GOAT

勇士球迷:讨论历史最佳的地位的时候,之所以要看戒指数量,其实也就是它在宣传造势的时候有点用……我真觉得詹姆斯就是历史最佳球员。只是由于乔丹之前的强大,咱们在脑海中就对历史最佳有了个先入为主的具体形象而已。

真的很难去区分他俩,不过詹姆斯在场上、场下的影响力,迅速让自己所在的球队成为争冠热门,这就是很了不起。所以能够看到这个男人打球我非常开心,这他妈就是史上最佳!

[–]91jumpstreet 19 points 17 hours ago

You call rings overrated but then cite Lebrons off the work stuff as evidence of his greatness

I'm tired of you Lebron stans lol. Not even entertaining anymore. You guys dont even make sense anymore

你先说戒指的分量被高估,然后却用詹姆斯场外的影响力来论证他的伟大……

我真是受够你们这些脑残粉了,哈哈。甚至一点都不好玩了。你们甚至都没法自圆其说。

[–]PlsCallMeGOAT 20 points 17 hours ago

Team's goal every season is to win championships. There's no need for advertising that. I get it though, it's hard to imagine someone actually being better than LeBron, but Jordan was.

各个球队每个赛季的目标就是拿总冠军啊,没有宣传造势的必要啊。不过我懂那哥们儿的心情,难以想象会有人真的比詹姆斯厉害,但乔丹确实是。

[–]Wizards GVIrish 106 points 17 hours ago*

For me the reason Jordan is the GOAT is because he was a beast on defense and offense. 9 all-nba defensive first teams and a DPOY. There are only five guys with more all-nba defense first team selections.

Jordan was the dominant scoring power in the league for his entire career (except for the Wizards...). Every full season he played with the Bulls other than his rookie year, he led the league in scoring, including a string of 7 straight seasons. Only other player that had 7 consecutive seasons as leading scorer was Wilt.

Lebron deserves to be in the GOAT conversation and he's a better rebounder and passer than Jordan was. But Jordan was this overpowered superhuman playing basketball when he was in his prime.

奇才球迷:在我看来,乔丹是历史最强的原因在于他在攻防两端都很变态。9次赛季最佳防守阵容一阵,还有一次年度最佳防守人。入选年度最佳防守阵一阵次数比他多的只有五个人。

就他整个职业生涯(除了奇才……)来说,他一直都是联盟里极具统治力的得分强点。除了处子赛季,他在公牛所打满的每个赛季都是联盟得分王,甚至还有一波7连庄。另一个有过得分王7连庄的人是张伯伦。

咱们讨论历史最强的时候应该把老詹算上,毕竟他的篮板和传球都比乔丹强。但是乔丹在巅峰的时候,他在场上是让人折服的超人般的存在。

[–]Cavaliers xqe2045 34 points 16 hours ago

With a better team around him and lesser opponents. No team has ever been as good as GSW

骑士球迷:那他当时身边的队友更强、遇到的对手也更弱啊。毕竟历史上还没有球队有勇士这么强大吧。

[–][NYK] Walt Frazier driftmark4 35 points 17 hours ago

MJ isn't the GOAT only because we have a "specific image" of the GOAT. He's the GOAT because no one has been better than him throughout history. Basically, he's significantly better individually than the only guy who has had more team success than he has in Bill Russell and he has had more team success than anyone who is even comparable individually and no one really is.

尼克斯球迷:并不是说我们对历史最强有所谓的“具体印象”就成就了乔丹的历史最佳。咱们觉得他是历史最强,因为纵观NBA历史,没有比他更强的。

差不多可以这么说吧,唯一一个集体荣誉比乔丹多的球员是拉塞尔,但是老詹个人的生涯成就要强很多。而那些个人成就和乔丹差不多的球员呢,他们的个人集体荣誉又比不过。

[–]Raptors Bananasauru5rex 25 points 15 hours ago

The cool thing about MJ and Lebron is that they're both perfect basketball players, but neither is as good as the other one in what they each excel at. They can both be such ideal players, but so absolutely different.

猛龙球迷:关于乔丹和詹姆斯很值得玩味的一点在于,他俩都是那种完美的篮球运动员,可是呢,就他们各自的强点来说的话,其中一方确实比不上另一方。

他俩都很完美,可是又绝对不同。

[–][BOS] Sebastian Telfair JayLarranagasEyes 206 points 18 hours ago

Rings are not the only factor but they are certainly a factor

凯尔特人球迷:戒指不是评判历史最佳的唯一因素,但它肯定是有影响的、

[–]Random Stranger79 138 points 15 hours ago

Which is why Robert Horry is only the 5th best player in NBA history

所以说罗伯特-霍里只是联盟史上的第五强者啊

[–]Make UhmSay 59 points 14 hours ago

And why everyone says Russell is better than Jordan

所以大家都说拉塞尔强于乔丹呢

[–]Celtics Bandwagon Yacobbbb 125 points 14 hours ago

Seriously? I get you’re being satirical, but I think everyone would agree that Russell Westbrook is better than Jordan Clarkson.

凯尔特人球迷:你认真的吗?我知道你在嘲讽,可是我觉得大家都认同拉塞尔-威斯布鲁克强于乔丹-克拉克森吧。

[–][MIN] Wally Szczer biakwtgm 58 points 13 hours ago

What are you talking about? Jordan Clarkson is miles ahead of Russell Westbrook alphabetically

森林狼球迷:你想啥呢?按照字母表排序的话,乔丹-克拉克森甩拉塞尔-威斯布鲁克一大截呢。

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伯恩利 诺维奇 哈德斯菲尔德 伯恩茅斯 西汉姆联 卡迪夫城 布莱顿 沃特福德 南安普顿 莱斯特城 纽卡斯尔联 埃弗顿 水晶宫 伍尔弗汉普顿流浪 曼彻斯特联 谢菲尔德联 切尔西 阿森纳 富勒姆 曼彻斯特城 托特纳姆热刺 利物浦
西甲
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德甲
拜仁慕尼黑 莱比锡草地球 多特蒙德 法兰克福 勒沃库森 门兴格拉德巴赫 沃尔夫斯堡 霍芬海姆 云达不莱梅 柏林赫塔 杜塞尔多夫 SC弗莱堡 美因茨05 FC奥格斯堡 沙尔克04 斯图加特 FC纽伦堡 科隆 汉诺威96
意甲
尤文图斯 那不勒斯 国际米兰 AC米兰 亚特兰大 罗马 都灵 萨索洛 拉齐奥 斯帕尔迪尼 桑普多利亚 帕尔马 卡利亚里 乌迪内斯 佛罗伦萨 恩波利 博洛尼亚 弗洛西诺内 热那亚 布雷西亚
法甲
奥林匹克里昂 巴黎圣日耳曼 蒙彼利埃 里尔 马赛 圣埃蒂安 OGC尼斯 尼姆 兰斯 SCO昂热 斯特拉斯堡 雷恩 南特 图卢兹 波尔多 亚眠 摩纳哥 FCO第戎 卡昂
NBA
黄蜂 老鹰 热火 魔术 凯尔特人 奇才 猛龙 篮网 步行者 雄鹿 尼克斯 灰熊 鹈鹕 76人 掘金 马刺 公牛 森林狼 雷霆 勇士 骑士 开拓者 快船 爵士 活塞 湖人 太阳 独行侠 国王 火箭