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Lost in all the craziness of Luka Doncic, Trae Young has also taken a massive leap in his sophomore year and is averaging 28.7ppg with 8.4apg

尽管特雷-杨本赛季由于东契奇狂热而被大家遗忘,但是他在进入联盟的第二个赛季同样取得了大幅进步,目前场均28.7分8.4板。

Luka Doncic has rightfully been receiving a lot of hype this season, but in his second year Trae Young has improved his stats from:

19.1ppg to 28.7ppg

3.7rpg to 4.0rpg

8.1apg to 8.4apg

41.8%FG to 46.3%FG

32.4%3PT to 39.3%3PT

82.9%FT to 85.3%FT

东契奇本赛季已经得到了大量的吹捧,不过特雷-杨在个人第二个赛季的成长如下:

均分从19.1提高到28.7;

场均篮板从3.7提高到4.0;

场均助攻从8.1提高到8.4;

命中率从41.8%提高到46.3%;

三分命中率从32.4%提高到39.3%;

罚球命中率从82.9%提高到85.3%。

He’s been almost the sole bright spot for the Hawks and he is so fun to watch. He’s a fantastic player and I’m excited to see him develop further.

他本赛季几乎是老鹰唯一的闪光点,而且打得极具观赏性。他是个梦幻的球员,期待着他下一步的成长。

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[–]Raptors pacpacpac 145 指標 19小時前

He's an all-star in the East

猛龙球迷:他就是东部的全明星。

[–]Hawks Juganator 46 指標 8小時前

I said at the beginning of the year Trae and Siakam are first time all stars.

老鹰球迷:我在赛季初就说过,特雷-杨和西亚卡姆将首次进入全明星。

[–]Math Simon88 12 指標 3小時前

Siakam is definitely an All-Star. To be fair, Trae has the stats, but I suppose he needs a bit more wins to get in. Well no one can tell.

西卡肯定是全明星。不过有一说一啊,吹羊有个人数据,但我以为他还需要球队再多一些胜利才能进。不过这谁也说不准。

[–]Thunder IsThisGenericEnough 56 指標 19小時前

Some of the best highlights I’ve seen he just pulls off stuff he shouldn’t be able to

雷霆球迷:就我看过的一些超高光集锦来说,吹羊可以做一些现在的他本该做不到的事情。

[–]Mavericks lost_in_trepidation 26 指標 10小時前

He's relentless. I've seen some comments that he's just on a bad team so he's the only option, but he would be this good on any team, if not better.

He always shares the ball, his team just doesn't deliver at all.

独行侠球迷:特雷-杨很顽强。我看有些评论说,因为他在一支烂队,所以他是唯一的得分选择,不过他要是去其他任何队,哪怕数据不会更好,至少也会有现在这么出色。他一直在分享球,只是他的球队压根不争气。

[–]Hawks KokiriEmerald 13 指標 10小時前

Yeah he would be so much better if we had someone to draw the attention away. Only reason his FG% was not higher last year is cause every drive he'd be met by multiple people at the rim. John and Kevin coming back will help him out later this year.

老鹰球迷:是啊,如果我们队里还有人能吸引火力,那他比现在还厉害得多。他上赛季的命中率之所以只有那么高,那是因为他每每往篮下突的时候对方都是好几个人在等着。这赛季等到后面科林斯和许尔特复出之后,他俩能给予吹羊帮助。

[–]Raptors bbqyak 814 指標 19小時前

Mans out here averaging 28 and 8 in his second year with crazy 3s and all everyone can say is he isn't as good as Luka. Ffs.

猛龙球迷:这老弟这才第二年就场均28+8了,而且各种三分狂飙,可是很多人还是说他比不上东契奇。真是佛了。

[–]Raptors Closer586 107 指標 19小時前

It's crazy how Luka is the bar for being a good sophmore, he should be an outlier not the rule. Trae's numbers and offensive impact are incredible for a second year player. People are way too jumpy to bring up wins, Trae is the reason they are winning any games in the first place.

猛龙球迷:太离谱了,居然用东契奇为标准来评判一个二年级生是否出色,东契奇应该是个特例而不是准则。对于一个二年级生来说,吹羊的数据和进攻影响力是不可思议的。大家对老鹰的赢球场次太较真了,他们有些比赛能赢,首要原因就是吹羊的表现。

[–]Lakers cjsrhkcjs 28 指標 18小時前

People from the old times probably compared every rookie/sophomore of 84' and '03 to MJ/LeBron's standards huh3

湖人球迷:那些老球迷或许把每个菜鸟和二年级生都拿来和84届的乔丹、03届的老詹比。

[–]Celtics DoomBarDetective 12 指標 7小時前

It’s pretty simple.

Doncic is winning and the Hawks have one of the worst records in the league.

凯尔特人球迷:其实也很简单。

东契奇正在赢球,而老鹰的战绩却是联盟倒数。

[–]Rockets WrexEverything 579 指標 18小時前

He's clearly fantastic, but putting up stats on bad teams never gets much attention. I dont think its bias against trae, its just bias against good players on bad teams I suppose. Its just how its always been.

火箭球迷:很显然,吹羊是很厉害的,可是通常在鱼腩球队拿高分是得不到多少关注的。我觉得这不是针对吹羊,这只是对于那些身处烂队的好球员的偏见。这种情况一直都有啊。

[–][DAL] Dan Dickau Juniper41 288 指標 18小時前

Yep. For every Devin Booker, Nikola Vucevic, Blake Griffin Minnesota Kevin Love, you get twice as many Stephon Marbury, Antoine Walker, Michael Carter Williams, Mike James, Marcus Morris empty stats on bad team types.

For better or worse, player stats will only be validated by winning.

独行侠球迷:是的。像布克、武切维奇、格林芬和森林狼时期的乐福这种球员,他们在烂队的空砍数据可以是马布里、安东尼-沃克、迈卡威、迈克-詹姆斯和马库斯-莫里斯这些人的两倍。

[–][LAL] Brandon Ingram AdzBoogie 190 指標 18小時前

When you're doing it efficiently, that's more than empty stats.

湖人球迷:你要是得分效率高的话,那可就不止是空砍了。

[–][DAL] Dan Dickau Juniper41 139 指標 18小時前

For sure, which is why I'm lumping him in with the Booker/Vucevic/Griffin/Love group and not the Walker/Marbury group. That being said most fans and analysts want wins until they hype up a player.

独行侠球迷:那是自然,所以我把吹羊放到布克、武切维奇、格里芬和乐福这一类,而不是安东尼-沃克和马布里之流。话虽如此,大多数球迷和分析师还是希望能基于球队的胜利来吹捧球员。

[–]Nigeria Okoba27 31 指標 13小時前

Marbury was nice he just had an ego problem.

尼日利亚球迷:马布里还是不错的,他当初就是太自我了。

[–]kaskoosek 45 指標 15小時前

Marbury wasnt that bad though. You cant compare him to nash or kidd but he wasnt trash like walker.

马布里确实没那么菜。虽说你不能拿他和纳什、基德比,但他还不至于有安东尼-沃克那么垃圾。

[–]Lakers Vaccaria_ 7 指標 4小時前

That's NBA Champion Antoine Walker.

湖人球迷:那可是总冠军沃克!

[–]GnRgr2 13 指標 16小時前

What separates Booker and Trae?

那布克和吹羊的区别在哪?

[–][CHI] Cameron Payne Cousin_SadBoy 83 指標 14小時前

Trae’s a top-tier passer. Not that Booker’s bad and I think his rep has been hurt by playing for a completely incompetent organization but Trae is on another level as a distributor.

公牛球迷:特雷是个顶级传球手。倒不是说布克不行,不过我觉得他为太阳这么一支完全扶不起的球队打球是很伤的,而吹羊作为一名组织者的能力是在另一个水准的。

[–]Nets Bigbadbuck 14 指標 6小時前

He's also more efficient than booker was early in his career. Booker is now very efficient but wasn't so earlier

篮网球迷:相比生涯同期的布克来说,特雷也更为高效。布克现在是非常高效的,不过早先并不是。

[–]Suns zephah 12 指標 15小時前

The most common criticism I heard of Booker outside of empty stats was that people hate what he looks like

So maybe people don't hate what Trae looks like

太阳球迷:除了空砍之外,我听到关于布克最普遍的说法是,大家讨厌他的长相。

所以也许大家不反感吹羊的长相吧

[–]Suns zephah 7 指標 8小時前

It’s something I’ve read on here a lot. There was even a thread last year about “who has the most punchable face” and Book was the 2nd highest in the thread, only behind Grayson Allen

太阳球迷:这种说法我在这个论坛还真看到不少。以前甚至有个帖子讨论“谁的脸最欠揍”,布克排在第二,仅次于格雷森-阿伦。

[–]Helhiem 12 指標 10小時前

People hate the look of Devin Booker. What?

啥?人们讨厌布克的长相?

[–][CHI] Jimmy Butler NotoriousVader 21 指標 10小時前

tbf he’s weird looking

公牛球迷:说实话,他长得有点怪。

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[–]NBA nomad80 599 指標 19小時前

im just happy there is so much young talent rn. future's bright for the league

联盟现在真的是人才辈出啊,我太高兴了。联盟的未来很光明啊

[–]Celtics AffectionateZombie 184 指標 18小時前

Loved seeing that it was the first month in NBA history with two International players winning ECF/WCF player of the month (Luka Giannis).

Basketball is just a great sport

凯尔特人球迷:昨天不也是NBA史上首次由两个国际球员当选月最佳嘛。篮球可真是个好运动。

[–]NBA nomad80 47 指標 17小時前

As an international fan, agree 100%

作为一个国际球迷,我完全赞同。

[–]Lakers cjsrhkcjs 34 指標 18小時前

I mean, regardless of their current team records, these two guys are pretty much confirmed to be a big part of the future NBA 5+ years later. Might as well get used to them.

湖人球迷:我觉得吧,且不论他俩各自所在球队的战绩,杨和东契奇基本被视作是NBA今后五年的重要部分。咱们不如去适应他俩。

[–]Mavericks StefonDiggsHS 16 指標 8小時前

Trae is a great player and it’s fucking shameful media and some people just talk about him and compare him to Luka.

If the hawks weee 15-6 like us these Luka Vs Trae conversations would be much different

独行侠球迷:吹羊是个很棒的球员,那些不要脸的媒体和有些人总是拿他来和东契奇比。

如果老鹰的战绩和我们一样也是15胜6负,那东契奇和杨的比较结果就会大有不同了。

[–]Mavericks PubicAnimeNummerJuan 88 指標 19小時前

I have to admit I haven't watched the Hawks this season, but I want to just to see Ice Trae. His jump in production is pretty remarkable. I figured his efficiency would improve and bump his scoring, but not to this degree - 28/8 is pretty great any way you cut it. I've got no beef with Hawksbros and hope Trae is a stud for them for a long time; I hate the bullshit Luka/Trae feud. Just appreciate Trae for what he's doing.

独行侠球迷:必须得承认,我这个赛季还没看过老鹰比赛,可我想看吹羊的表现。他场上输出的提升还是相当了不起的。我之前就觉得他的效率和得分会提高,可没料到会提高这么多——不管咋说,28+8都是很厉害的。我和老鹰球迷没啥过节,希望吹羊能长期在亚特兰大打得虎虎生风,我很反感那些说东契奇和吹羊互相针对的瞎扯淡。好好珍惜吹羊的表现不就完了么!

[–]Hawks Coachpatato 34 指標 11小時前

Yeah I agree. I just wish we could get one thread about Trae where Luka isn't mentioned every other comment. I realize I'm guilty of it now but Luka's performance has no impact on the Hawks or Trae and vice versa.

老鹰球迷:对啊,我赞同。我就希望能有一篇帖子专门讨论吹羊,而不是动不动就说东契奇怎样怎样。东契奇的表现对老鹰和吹羊不会有半点影响啊,反之亦然。

[–]Lakers mkmore4 223 指標 19小時前

Nobody cares because they suck.

湖人球迷:没人在乎吹羊的神勇,因为老鹰实在太菜了。

[–]Rockets makashiII_93 25 指標 8小時前

Great stats. Bad team.

John Collins murdered their season. His return is one of the few remaining interesting things about their lost season.

火箭球迷:数据好看,球队稀烂。

科林斯的禁赛毁了老鹰这个赛季,他的复出将是老鹰这个已经无望的赛季为数不多让人期待的地方。

[–]afterworld2772 8 指標 6小時前

In this case though the assists are impressive because Hawks are bad. He is getting 8 a game when his best option is Jabari Parker. Plus its not like the other teams feel sorry for him and just let him score, he is earning his buckets

这反倒凸显出了特雷-杨助攻数的可贵,因为老鹰菜啊。他最好的传球选择是贾巴里-帕克,就这还能拿到场均8个助攻。而且其他球队并没有出于同情就任由吹羊取分,他的得分都是自己拼出来的。

[–]Zenyx_ 35 指標 9小時前

He's one of the worst defenders in the NBA...

可他是联盟最菜的防守人之一……

[–]Heat NotAThrowaway1413 3 指標 5小時前

Correct

热火球迷:没毛病。

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[–]Lakers ashishvp 6 指標 7小時前

It's lost because the Hawks are losing. Simple as that really.

Get my mans some help, Atlanta! That's all you gotta do now and yall got a perennial contender

湖人球迷:他被遗忘是因为老鹰一直在输球,真就这么简单。

给他找些帮手吧,亚特兰大!你们现在就干这个就好了,你们已经有了一个可靠的球员。

[–]Choponchip 60 指標 15小時前*

And here is the crazy thing - Trae’s stats should be better. That 8.1-8.4 apg jump should be even higher.

Trae is 3rd in the league in assists with Jabari Parker as the hawks second option and there is a large drop off in production after Jabari. All of the other players that are top 5 in assists have waaaay better scoring options around them than Trae does.

If John Collins and Kevin Huerter weren’t missing large chunks of the season and the Hawks were playing to their highest ceiling(7th or 8th seed or just barely missing the playoffs) I think Trae’s numbers would look something like this:

28ppg/10.5apg/4rpg

不可思议的地方还在这儿呢——特雷-杨的数据应该更好看的。他场均助攻从8.1到8.4的进步还应该更多。

吹羊现在的场均助攻排在联盟第三,可你得知道,老鹰的第二选择是贾巴里-帕克,在他之后,其他人的输出要差一大截。比起吹羊,助攻榜前五的球员里其他人身边的得分选择都要好太多了。

如果约翰-柯林斯和许尔特这赛季没有缺席那么多比赛,那老鹰能打出全部潜力(东部七八名或者将将无缘季后赛),我觉得吹羊的数据应该会是这样的:28分10.5助4板。

[–]Hawks Coachpatato 11 指標 11小時前

Yeah I agree. It's sad seeing him throw these oops for missed when you know John Collins would be damn near breaking backboards on these.

老鹰球迷:是啊我同意。他有些扔出去的空接被浪费了你看着就心疼,因为要是柯林斯在的话,他尼玛就离砸碎篮筐就大差不差了。

[–]Hawks stdfan 29 指標 11小時前

Imagine if Len could catch or finish. Or if anyone could shoot.

老鹰球迷:要是莱恩能抓住吹羊的传球或者直接得分也成啊。要不其他人能投也好啊。

[–][BKN] Vince Carter JeffKaplanIsDaddy 114 指標 20小時前

He's like Kemba in Charlotte and Russ in OKC

They have 5, maybe 6 years to put a good team around him or he's gone

篮网球迷:吹羊就像是黄蜂时期的沃克和雷霆时期的威少。

亚特兰大大概还有那么五六年的时间围绕吹羊打造出一支强队,不然他就走了。

[–][NYK] Nate Robinson TheKnicksHateMe 173 指標 19小時前

both of those guys spent a lot more than 5 years on those teams lol.

尼克斯球迷:沃克和威少这俩在黄蜂和雷霆效力的时间都超过了5年,哈哈哈

[–][BKN] Vince Carter JeffKaplanIsDaddy 21 指標 19小時前

kemba spent 8 years there because Charlotte didn't trade him in his expiring season. with how players conduct free agency now I could definitely see trae getting fed up and asking for a trade with 1 or 2 years left in his 5 year rookie max. Russ is a rare breed with how loyal he was to OKC and signed multiple extensions with them

篮网球迷:沃克在黄蜂耗了8年,那是因为夏洛特没有在合同到期那一年交易走他。考虑到现如今球员们在自由市场的操作,我能预见到吹羊的厌倦,然后在五年菜鸟合同还剩一两年的时候要求交易。威少是个异类,对雷霆太忠诚了,当初和雷霆几次续约。

[–]Pengweeno87 50 指標 16小時前

OKC wasn't exactly a losing franchise during westbrook's tenure either

那是因为威少在为雷霆效力期间,雷霆也不是那种长期输球的球队。

[–][BKN] Vince Carter JeffKaplanIsDaddy 30 指標 19小時前

trae is in year 2

I mean 5 or 6 years from now where he'll be in years 7 and 8

篮网球迷:吹羊现在才第二个赛季,要是再等个五六年,那他都在联盟第7第8个年头了。

[–]deeznutz_428 31 指標 19小時前

He was drafted two years ago chill out lmao

他这不刚在两年前才被选中嘛,都别慌

[–][LAL] Michael Cooper shiny_lustrous_poo 6 指標 19小時前

He wasn't saying they weren't going to do it, just noting that he has the kind of talent that shouldn't be wasted on a bad team. If atl is not moving in the right direction in 6 years, why would he stay?

湖人球迷:那哥们儿意思不是说老鹰不会好好打造球队,只是特雷-杨这种天赋不该在一支烂队被白白糟践了。如果亚特兰大今后6年的建队方向不对,那他干嘛要留队?

[–]76ers NotJoeyWheeler 21 指標 19小時前

When you have a young star though, the goal is basically to get their team locked in before their max extension kicks in, so you can go into the luxury tax with the best possible usage of your cap space to contend for a couple of years. That’s the main reason the Sixers have gone “all in” in the past 2 years, not because they doubt Embiid’s health or see a window or something, it’s because they had to get their guys before signing Simmons to his max.

76人球迷:当你队里拥有一名年轻球星时,那目标基本就是在与他签下超级顶薪之间固定球队框架,那样就能最大化利用你的薪资帽,从而多保持几年竞争力。这就是76人在过去两年梭哈的主要原因,不是因为他们怀疑恩比德的健康,不是因为他们看到了夺冠窗口期,而是因为他们必须得在与西蒙斯签顶薪之前留人。

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[–]_Than0s 18 指標 11小時前

I get Luka is a once-in-a-generation talent but Hawks didn’t get as robbed as people think they did. I really think they scored with Trae. Even with his lack of defensive presence.

我知道东契奇是一代人才出一个的天才,可是老鹰并不像大家以为的那样被抢劫了。我真觉得他们拿到特雷-杨也是赚的。虽说他还缺防守存在感。

[–]USA Generalocity 9 指標 16小時前

Let’s hold on a minute here - are you guys forgetting about the other part of basketball called defense? Buddy can hit all the shots he wants and still not win because pretty much any guard in the league can get past him, PnR on him all day, or break his ankles/fake him out.

He’s proven to be a reliable scorer on good efficiency, but I think he really needs to improve his 2 way game to become a star.

美国球迷:咱们先等等——你们都忘了篮球的另一部分叫防守吗?吹羊可以随心所欲地得分,还是赢不了球,因为基本上联盟任何后卫都能突他,都能对他打挡拆,终结他的脚踝,用假动作晃他。

他已经证明了自己是个效率高的可靠得分手,不过我觉得他真得提升自己的防守,这样才能称得上是球星。

[–]Rockets CJ4ROCKET 3 指標 8小時前

The same can be said about plenty of superstar guards. The onus now is on the FO and coaching staff to construct a roster/scheme that can hide his defensive flaws, much like other successful teams in the NBA. Sure it would be great if he's an all world defender, and he certainly needs to improve some, but being a plus defender isn't critical so long as the FO and coaching staff is competent.

火箭球迷:你这些话也可以放到联盟很多超巨后卫身上。球队管理层和教练团队有那个责任去构建一套可以隐藏吹羊防守弱点的阵容或者说打法,就像联盟其他成功球队一样。当然了,如果他是一名顶级防守人,那当然很棒,吹羊肯定需要提升防守的,可是他是否成为一个正向的防守人并没那么关键,只要管理层和教练团队的工作称职就行。

[–]jboggin 5 指標 7小時前

I agree that being a plus defender isn't necessary for a team to be good. But in the games I've watch, Trae isn't even in the below average range yet. He's been pretty terrible at defense. If he doesn't get better, it's going to continue to be a huge problem for the Hawks.

我同意这个观点。不过我就看过的比赛来说,吹羊的防守甚至连水准之下都算不上,他的防守一直都很烂。如果他不能把防守提高一点,那将一直是老鹰的大问题。

[–]ironmanwatcher2 2 指標 6小時前

I was wrong about Trae, he’s playing incredibly in his 2nd year. I thought he was too small and skinny to succeed, but this guy can really play. He’s really smart and crafty.

I’d like to see how he does in the playoffs, where they plan for him - that seems to be the indicator of a really great player (according to other pro players). Teams will make a strategy to stop him and put him in awkward spots and force him to have to do more on defense.

我以前对吹羊的看法是错的,他现在打得非常好。我以前觉得他个子太小太瘦,没法打出来。不过这哥们儿确实能打。他很聪明很机灵。

我想看他打季后赛——这貌似是衡量一个球员是否真正强大的标志。到时候,那些对手会部署策略去阻止他,让他难受,迫使他不得不做更多的防守。

[–]Mavericks PubicAnimeNummerJuan 17 指標 16小時前

Calling Luka a good defender is a bit of a stretch. When he's locked in he can do surprisingly well, but sometimes the effort isn't there, and he's just not quick enough to stay in front of a lot of guys. I mean hell, Carlisle frequently hides him on the other team's weakest wing rather than have him guard other star PGs.

独行侠球迷:要说东契奇是个“好”防守人的话,那就有点牵强。他打的兴起的时候,表现好得出奇,不过有时候就不怎么出力了,他速度不够快,从而跟不上很多对手。卡莱尔经常隐藏东契奇,让他去对位对方最弱的侧翼,而不是让他去防对方的球星控卫。

[–]NBA 5ive5tar 12 指標 15小時前

Luka's lapses is Trae's best night defensively. That's how bad he is. He's literally the worst defender in the league, look at it. Watch him, ask a Hawk fan.

东契奇防守走神的时候依然是吹羊最好的防守。后者的防守就是这么菜。他真算是联盟防守最菜的人了。我是老鹰球迷。

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